{"id":45132,"date":"2018-06-10T18:43:11","date_gmt":"2018-06-10T17:43:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/?p=45132"},"modified":"2018-06-11T13:48:29","modified_gmt":"2018-06-11T12:48:29","slug":"bmg-boss-hartwig-masuch-warns-over-potential-bursting-bubble-of-publisher-sale-prices","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/bmg-boss-hartwig-masuch-warns-over-potential-bursting-bubble-of-publisher-sale-prices\/","title":{"rendered":"BMG boss Hartwig Masuch: &#8216;We are the fourth major music company&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Hartwig Masuch, Chief Executive of BMG, gave a wide-ranging interview at Midem in Cannes last week (June 5), in which he claimed that his company now considers itself the &#8220;fourth major&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Financially speaking, that&#8217;s a fairly bold claim.<\/p>\n<p>Across its dual music publishing and records businesses, BMG\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/bmg-revenues-topped-500m-in-2017-up-22-year-on-year\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">turned over $573m last year.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Although that was up 22% year-on-year, Warner Music Group &#8211; the smallest of the three major music companies &#8211; turned over $3.70bn in the same calendar 12 months, more than six times as much as BMG. (Warner also happens to be BMG&#8217;s worldwide recorded music distribution partner.)<\/p>\n<p>Yet according to Masuch, on a practical level &#8211; ie. what his company can deliver for its individual artists &#8211; it&#8217;s a fair comment.<\/p>\n      <div class=\"mb-advert__incontent\">      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__tweeny hidden-xs hidden-ms hidden-sm\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-sizes=\"992 1200 1440\" data-name=\"628x90 Sponsor banner #5 (992+1200+1440)\" data-params=\"dfp_sponsor5_628\" id=\"dfp_sponsor5_628\"><\/div>      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__banner mb-advert__banner--inline hidden-xs hidden-sm hidden-md hidden-lg\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-sizes=\"480\" data-name=\"468x60 Sponsor banner #5 (480)\" data-params=\"dfp_sponsor5_468\" id=\"dfp_sponsor5_468\"><\/div>      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__mobile mb-advert__mobile--inline hidden-ms hidden-md hidden-lg\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-sizes=\"320 768\" data-name=\"300x50 Sponsor banner #5 (320+768)\" data-params=\"dfp_sponsor5_300\" id=\"dfp_sponsor5_300\"><\/div>      <\/div>      \n<p>\u201cI think we can do whatever you think a major should be able to do,&#8221; Masuch told Variety Executive Editor, Shirley Halperin, during their on-stage Midem chat. &#8220;Getting the perspective right, yeah, we are the fourth major.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Our DNA &#8211; by acquiring a lot of very important independent companies &#8211; is that we share the values of [those] independent companies, so we have an appreciation of creativity and artists. But our ambition is that we are a major, because being a\u00a0major for me means you have global access to the markets, and you are able to give artists a global perspective on several parameters [across] recording and publishing.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It would be foolish to say we\u2019re the leading independent &#8211; that would shy away from the real ambition we have.\u201d<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Masuch was also questioned on the topic of publishing acquisitions, and whether companies in the space are starting to become over-valued.<\/p>\n<p>To date, &#8216;new&#8217; BMG &#8211; which launched in 2008 &#8211; has acquired over 100 independent music companies.<\/p>\n<p>However, it hasn&#8217;t participated in many of the recent high-stakes recent M+A activity in the publishing world &#8211; which has seen Round Hill buying Carlin for nearly $250m, Kobalt buy SONGS for around $160m, Concord buy Imagem for over $500m and Sony Corp snap up a 60% chunk of EMI Music Publishing for $2.3bn.<\/p>\n<p>Masuch warned of &#8220;parameters that might create a bursting bubble&#8221; in the space, including rising interest rates or the emergence of inter-territory trade barriers.<\/p>\n<p>He commented: &#8220;Saying [the market] is over-valued is always very dangerous, there are a lot of of factors that play into a valuation. [But] if you look at it historically, you could say it\u2019s very, very aggressively valued [today].<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The question is, can you really make sense of if you are a buyer? I would doubt it for at least 5-10 years going forward, simply because of [unpredictable] parameters that have an influence on your publishing income &#8211; global performance [revenues], based on radio and TV, might be very challenged.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;So if people right now say the music industry is growing 7-10%, publishing might be growing much less&#8230; I\u2019d personally rather be careful right now.&#8221;<\/p>\n<div class=\"mb-embed-container\"><iframe src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/vasoKBfbZK8\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<hr \/>\n<p class=\"p1\">Other topics covered during Masuch&#8217;s discussion included BMG&#8217;s reputation for working with &#8216;legacy&#8217; artists &#8211; although that&#8217;s clearly not a word the company itself would choose.<\/p>\n<p>Said Masuch: &#8220;Here\u2019s a pretty interesting commercial discussion: what actually drives value in music companies? Is it what happens in the Hot 100 in Billboard? We think [catalogue] is a completely under-managed part of the business.; [we] deal with artists who have a 25 year career, who make a lot of money from live, but might not be [an A&amp;R&#8217;s] entry into the glory world: &#8216;Oh, he broke whatever name.'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Masuch also talked about BMG&#8217;s growth as a dual recorded music company and music publisher, and why he feels having integrated teams across both sides is a commercial advantage.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">&#8220;Going forward all of the music companies have to take a more integrated approach and [think]: Does an artist really want you to make a big differentiation between services in publishing and recorded?<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">&#8220;No, you want to be represented on whichever metric you put your repertoire to your partners. And that\u2019s what we want to achieve &#8211; even extended to books, audio-visual content, we want to be a really integrated company that deals with the output of our creative clients.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">&#8220;It\u2019s a big advantage: you don\u2019t run two separate cost bases. [At BMG]<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>some people have more publishing experience, some people have more experience of marketing recordings, but they really work together on a global level.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Exec also warns of potential &#8220;bursting bubble&#8221; when it comes to publishing M+A market<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":45133,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[188,826],"class_list":["post-45132","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-news","tag-bmg","tag-hartwig-masuch"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/45132","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=45132"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/45132\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/45133"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=45132"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=45132"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=45132"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}