{"id":253797,"date":"2026-03-27T16:33:32","date_gmt":"2026-03-27T16:33:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/?p=253797"},"modified":"2026-03-27T16:33:32","modified_gmt":"2026-03-27T16:33:32","slug":"russ-talks-ownership-fan-engagement-and-making-music-every-day-at-sxsw","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/russ-talks-ownership-fan-engagement-and-making-music-every-day-at-sxsw\/","title":{"rendered":"Russ talks ownership, fan engagement and \u2018making music every day\u2019 at SXSW"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"p1\">In June 2015, US rapper Russ made $600 from his music. In June 2016, exactly 12 months later, with no label and no major label marketing budget, he made $100,000 in a single month. The only difference was time, and the 200 songs he had released by then.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>Russ<\/b> (born Russell James Vitale) has released music through <b>TuneCore<\/b> for 15 years. He was signed with <b>Columbia Records <\/b>from 2017 to 2020, but returned to independence thereafter. He <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2022\/music\/news\/russ-bugus-diemon-records-label-1235217522\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">owns<\/a> a record label and collective called <b>DIEMON<\/b>, which stands for &#8220;Do It Every Day Music Or Nothing.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Speaking with <b>Andreea Gleeson<\/b> (TuneCore&#8217;s former CEO) during a keynote at SXSW in Austin last week (March 18), the American rapper, singer, songwriter, producer and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.barnesandnoble.com\/w\/its-all-in-your-head-russ\/1131619951\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">best-selling author<\/a>\u00a0said: \u201cWe were doing it every day. Literally every day. That was the habit. Making music every day.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">      <div class=\"mb-advert__incontent\">      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__tweeny hidden-xs hidden-ms hidden-sm\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-sizes=\"992 1200 1440\" data-name=\"628x90 Sponsor banner #5 (992+1200+1440)\" data-params=\"dfp_sponsor5_628\" id=\"dfp_sponsor5_628\"><\/div>      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__banner mb-advert__banner--inline hidden-xs hidden-sm hidden-md hidden-lg\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-sizes=\"480\" data-name=\"468x60 Sponsor banner #5 (480)\" data-params=\"dfp_sponsor5_468\" id=\"dfp_sponsor5_468\"><\/div>      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__mobile mb-advert__mobile--inline hidden-ms hidden-md hidden-lg\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-sizes=\"320 768\" data-name=\"300x50 Sponsor banner #5 (320+768)\" data-params=\"dfp_sponsor5_300\" id=\"dfp_sponsor5_300\"><\/div>      <\/div>      <\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Gleeson described Russ as the definition of a multi-hyphenate \u2014<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>an artist, songwriter and producer. Addressing the artist, Gleeson said, \u201cYou have been charting with the music that you&#8217;ve been releasing and often are the only independent artist sitting on the top charts like the <i>Billboard<\/i> 200 in a sea of major record label releases, which is just so incredible.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Gleeson said artists today are building their own careers and owning their music. \u201cSo many times when you would sign those record label deals, you would give up ownership, or for a period of time, etc\u2026 Artists [now] are building a much different, deeper understanding of both the creative and business side, which is kind of making them a little bit dangerous, because when they sit across tables to negotiate, they know much more.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\"><figure class=\"mbw-articlepic mbw-articlepic--right\"><a class=\"link-internal\" href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2021\/08\/Andreea_Ext_1-scaled.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2021\/08\/Andreea_Ext_1-scaled.jpg\" data-lightbox=\"image-set\" data-title=\"\"><img  class=\"lazyload\" src=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2021\/08\/Andreea_Ext_1-80x45.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2021\/08\/Andreea_Ext_1-80x45.jpg 80w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2021\/08\/Andreea_Ext_1-160x90.jpg 160w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2021\/08\/Andreea_Ext_1-320x180.jpg 320w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2021\/08\/Andreea_Ext_1-418x235.jpg 418w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2021\/08\/Andreea_Ext_1-648x365.jpg 648w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2021\/08\/Andreea_Ext_1-836x470.jpg 836w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2021\/08\/Andreea_Ext_1-1296x729.jpg 1296w\" data-sizes=\"auto\"><i class=\"fas fa-search-plus magnifying-glass-icon\"><\/i><\/a><\/figure>&#8220;Artists [now] are building a much different, deeper understanding of both the creative and business side, which is kind of making them a little bit dangerous, because when they sit across tables to negotiate, they know much more.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Andreea Gleeson<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">About two months ago, Russ <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/DUWY7DGkvYd\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">became<\/a> the <b>second-highest RIAA-certified independent rapper in history<\/b>. His most recent album, <b><i>W!LD,<\/i><\/b><i> <\/i>debuted at No. 10 on the <i>Billboard <\/i>200, No. 1 on the indie chart, No. 2 in rap, and No. 3 in overall album sales, according to Gleeson. All copies were signed by Russ himself, sold directly through his own website, highlighting the importance of direct relationships with fans.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">\u201cEven signing the vinyl \u2014 and I signed myself, all <b>18,000<\/b> or <b>20,000<\/b>, whatever it was. And you know, it&#8217;s exhausting. It&#8217;s so much physical work. But it&#8217;s like every single one of those is a real person. So that was the reminder that was just really unjading for me, because I&#8217;m sitting there signing all these vinyl.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">\u201cThere&#8217;s real people behind these comments, behind these DMs, behind these numbers. And signing the vinyl with my hand and doing the in-person activations \u2014 it just makes it real.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Russ explained that going direct-to-fan isn&#8217;t just about having a shop on an artist\u2019s website, but also about years of genuinely talking to fans \u2014 <b>Discord<\/b> sessions, <b>Instagram<\/b> group chats, <b>FaceTimes<\/b>, responding to DMs.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">\u201cThe ability to even sell direct to fans is because there is a direct-to-fan relationship there. I&#8217;m not just an artist posting on Instagram and hoping that people buy my stuff. You have to really create that bond.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Russ<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">\u201cThe ability to even sell direct to fans is because there is a direct-to-fan relationship there. I&#8217;m not just an artist posting on Instagram and hoping that people buy my stuff. You have to really create that bond. You have to create that relationship. And it&#8217;s something that I care about deeply because fans are the infrastructure of your entire career.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">The artist also shared how consistency in building a catalog helps propel an artist. \u201cI think success at the end looks really dramatic, but it&#8217;s really just consistency \u2014 staying alive long enough to compound\u2026 It\u2019s 15 years of putting out songs and building a catalog that, again, if you stay consistent long enough, it&#8217;ll compound, you know.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">By June 2015, Russ said he had 200 songs in his catalog, 11 albums and about 30 or 40 weeks into weekly releases. \u201cSo I had 200 songs out. Again, when the music is great and you&#8217;re consistent enough, your fan base sniffs you out.\u201d Russ said this was pre-algorithm when fan bases \u201csniff out\u201d artists.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">\u201cAnd once people found my music, they were able to become diehard fans because there was enough music to stay.&#8221; In 2017, Russ <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/russdiemon\/status\/883169690264064000?s=20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">said<\/a> he dropped a song every week on <b>SoundCloud<\/b> for<b> 2.5 years<\/b> straight.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">      <div class=\"mb-advert__incontent\">      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__spu\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-name=\"300x250 Sponsor MPU #1\" data-params=\"dfp_spu1\" id=\"dfp_spu1\"><\/div>      <\/div>      <\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Russ compared his method of putting out music to the Netflix model: \u201cimagine your artistry and your career is a TV show, and each album or each year is a season, and you&#8217;re just adding episodes to the season.\u201d He says he gave people \u201cthe ability to not have two favorite songs from me, but <b>50<\/b>.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">\u201cOut of <b>400<\/b> songs, if you only like <b>40<\/b> of them, you only like <b>10%<\/b>, that&#8217;s still <b>40<\/b> songs. It&#8217;s a ton of music.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">All of the <b>200<\/b> songs he had by June 2015 were owned by him, all distributed through <b>TuneCore<\/b>, and none of it was tied to a label deal. Russ has so far <a href=\"https:\/\/schedule.sxsw.com\/2026\/contributors\/2238596\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">amassed<\/a> <strong>24 billion<\/strong> streams and sold more than <strong>35 million<\/strong> singles to date.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">\u201cGiving up ownership of what we were doing wasn&#8217;t even on the table.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Russ<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">\u201cGiving up ownership of what we were doing wasn&#8217;t even on the table,\u201d Russ said of his label DIEMON.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">As MBW previously <a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/russ-on-independence-e5\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">reported<\/a>, in June 2020, Russ\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/CB3mxqZpgLx\/?hl=en&amp;img_index=5\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">published<\/a>\u00a0TuneCore income statements to\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/companies\/facebook\/instagram\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Instagram<\/a>\u00a0\u201cfor inspirational purposes\u201d showing his monthly earnings from his music between 2013 and 2017.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">His revenues are reported in those statements as\u00a0<b>$48.66<\/b>\u00a0for the month of August 2013,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/CB3mxqZpgLx\/?hl=en&amp;img_index=5\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">rising to well over\u00a0<b>$100,000\u00a0<\/b><\/a>on average per month from June 2016 until October 2017 when, during that month, his statement shows that he earned over<b>\u00a0$280,000<\/b>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Russ also highlighted the need for artists to study the industry. \u201cWe were obsessed with watching everybody&#8217;s interviews. All the <i>Breakfast Club<\/i> interviews, all the <i>Hot 97<\/i> interviews \u2014 we were just obsessed with binge-watching those. They were always on the TV. That&#8217;s how we kind of learned about <b>Carol<\/b> <b>Lewis<\/b> the booking agent, and <b>Peter<\/b> <b>Schwarz<\/b> at that time.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">      <div class=\"mb-advert__incontent\">      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__spu\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-name=\"300x250 Sponsor MPU #2\" data-params=\"dfp_spu2\" id=\"dfp_spu2\"><\/div>      <\/div>      <\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">\u201cJust studying some of the business side of things. But again, just being entrepreneurial in spirit and boss-minded.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">The real treasure, according to Russ, is \u201cself-mastery.\u201d He said, \u201cIt&#8217;s a treasure that you&#8217;ll never quite grab, and it keeps you in pursuit. It keeps you motivated, focused, and in this place of internal validation.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">\u201cThey say putting in the work always drives more results than pure talent that doesn&#8217;t put in the work. And [Russ is] the epitome of that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Andreea Gleeson\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">As someone whose music career had been solitary (\u201cIt&#8217;s so isolated. I&#8217;m downstairs in my basement by myself making songs, which I love, because any artist in here knows you kind of need that environment and that safe space to just be weird on the microphone without any judgment), Russ says filming the movie <i>Don\u2019t Move, <\/i>showed him the need for community. He then found two unknown Australian producers on TikTok and made\u00a0his album <i>W!LD <\/i>with them.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Russ hinted that he\u2019s working on a deluxe version of the record. \u201cI think it&#8217;s incredible. It&#8217;s so good.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Gleeson described Russ as \u201cthe <b>Kobe Bryant<\/b> of musicians\u201d \u2014 \u201cThey say putting in the work always drives more results than pure talent that doesn&#8217;t put in the work. And you&#8217;re the epitome of that.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>About two months ago, Russ became the second-highest RIAA-certified independent rapper in history. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":38,"featured_media":254133,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[128794,131498,714,1293],"class_list":["post-253797","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-interviews","tag-andreea-gleeson","tag-russ","tag-sxsw","tag-tunecore"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/253797","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/38"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=253797"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/253797\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":254146,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/253797\/revisions\/254146"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/254133"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=253797"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=253797"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=253797"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}