{"id":226292,"date":"2025-03-17T14:11:48","date_gmt":"2025-03-17T14:11:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/?p=226292"},"modified":"2026-03-26T19:39:12","modified_gmt":"2026-03-26T19:39:12","slug":"ive-spent-every-day-since-ive-known-lola-believing-that-it-was-going-to-happen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/ive-spent-every-day-since-ive-known-lola-believing-that-it-was-going-to-happen\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;I\u2019ve spent every day since I\u2019ve known Lola believing that it was going to happen.&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>MBW\u2019s World\u2019s Greatest Managers series profiles the best artist managers in the global business.\u00a0<span style=\"margin: 0px; padding: 0px;\">This time out, we talk to Lola Young&#8217;s manager Nick Shymansky about where the fast-rising UK star can go from here, plus what he learned during his time managing Amy Winehouse and much more.<\/span>\u00a0World\u2019s Greatest Managers is supported by <a class=\"link-external\" href=\"https:\/\/www.centtrip.com\/music\" rel=\"noopener\">Centtrip<\/a>, a specialist in intelligent treasury, payments and foreign exchange \u2013 created with the music industry and its needs in mind.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<figure class=\"mbw-articlepic mbw-articlepic--right\"><a class=\"link-internal\" href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2021\/12\/WGM_CENTTRIP_300x250-2.gif\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2021\/12\/WGM_CENTTRIP_300x250-2.gif\" data-lightbox=\"image-set\" data-title=\"\"><img  class=\"lazyload\" src=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2021\/12\/WGM_CENTTRIP_300x250-2.gif\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2021\/12\/WGM_CENTTRIP_300x250-2.gif\" ><i class=\"fas fa-search-plus magnifying-glass-icon\"><\/i><\/a><\/figure><p>It was a classic breakthrough moment. A rising British pop star with an incredible voice and a larger-than-life personality, singing a career-defining song, on the biggest stage of all.<\/p>\n<p>Anyone watching Lola Young\u2019s performance of <em>Messy<\/em> at the 2025 BRIT Awards would have been in no doubt that there is now a new star in the UK\u2019s fading musical firmament. Some may even have been reminded of similarly charismatic turns by another true British original, Amy Winehouse.<\/p>\n<p>And, indeed, Young\u2019s manager, Nick Shymansky, has been here before. The artist manager, label exec and co-founder of Day One Entertainment, has been one of the 21st century\u2019s foremost unearthers of musical talent. He was Winehouse\u2019s manager up until the release of her multi-platinum <em>Back To Black<\/em> album; he found and broke La Roux in his label days; and has now guided Young to her current status as British music\u2019s hottest property.<\/p>\n      <div class=\"mb-advert__incontent\">      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__tweeny hidden-xs hidden-ms hidden-sm\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-sizes=\"992 1200 1440\" data-name=\"628x90 Sponsor banner #11 (992+1200+1440)\" data-params=\"dfp_sponsor11_628\" id=\"dfp_sponsor11_628\"><\/div>      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__banner mb-advert__banner--inline hidden-xs hidden-sm hidden-md hidden-lg\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-sizes=\"480\" data-name=\"468x60 Sponsor banner #11 (480)\" data-params=\"dfp_sponsor11_468\" id=\"dfp_sponsor11_468\"><\/div>      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__mobile mb-advert__mobile--inline hidden-ms hidden-md hidden-lg\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-sizes=\"320 768\" data-name=\"300x50 Sponsor banner #11 (320+768)\" data-params=\"dfp_sponsor11_300\" id=\"dfp_sponsor11_300\"><\/div>      <\/div>      \n<p>Not that Young\u2019s journey has been straightforward. First signed to Island back in 2019, she soundtracked the John Lewis Christmas ad in 2021 and featured on the BRITs Rising Star shortlist in 2022, but never quite broke through until <em>Messy<\/em> belatedly picked up traction late last year, six months after it was first released (\u201cNever judge a record on its first six months, let alone its first six days,\u201d sighs Shymansky). Suddenly, TikTok celebrities were lipsyncing to it and Young found herself participating in sofa banter with Jimmy Fallon and Graham Norton.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019ve spent every day since I\u2019ve known Lola believing that it was going to happen,\u201d Shymansky chuckles as he greets <em>MBW<\/em> at Day One\u2019s King\u2019s Cross office. \u201cThe irony is, when it blew up, I looked at it in disbelief like, \u2018What\u2019s the catch, what\u2019s going on, is this real?\u2019<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019ve gone through this Lola journey questioning what is taste, what is instinct, what is belief, what is intuition?\u201d he adds. \u201cI\u2019ve picked it apart and put it back together and it\u2019s been fascinating, because it\u2019s the greatest feeling in the world when you believe. You can\u2019t fake belief.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I\u2019ve literally been weeks away from losing my house, there\u2019s been pressure. But I always felt I\u2019m going to be alright and I can do it.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That faith in his charges has kept Shymansky going through the occasional dark times in his remarkable career.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis is probably a defence mechanism but I\u2019m happy I\u2019ve got it \u2013 all the time I wasn\u2019t successful, I didn\u2019t actually feel unsuccessful,\u201d he laughs. \u201cYou notice it is slightly different when you\u2019re having a moment, but I\u2019ve never once come to work and thought, \u2018I\u2019m so cold\u2019. I\u2019ve been skint, I\u2019ve nearly lost the business, I\u2019ve literally been weeks away from losing my house, there\u2019s been pressure. But I always felt I\u2019m going to be alright and I can do it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Indeed, Shymansky has now been doing \u2018it\u2019 for almost 30 years. Having dropped out of school, he started in the business in 1996 as an intern at Nicki Chapman and Nick Godwyn\u2019s promotions company, Brilliant!, after an attempt to hit up his uncles \u2013 aka the Grainge brothers Lucian (now CEO of Universal Music Group) and Nigel (the renowned A&amp;R who passed away in 2017) \u2013 for industry advice.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI would hang off their every word,\u201d says Shymansky. \u201cThey\u2019d have these arguments over Friday night dinner or Sunday lunch and I thought it was the greatest thing ever \u2013 they had this connection, but rivalry. Both had great taste but Lucian was always about the hits, the excitement of the industry, and Nigel thought everything was shit if he didn\u2019t like it.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI remember going up to both Lucian and Nigel separately at 16 and going, \u2018How do I become an A&amp;R person or a manager?\u2019 and them going, \u2018You find talent\u2019. \u2018How do you find talent?\u2019 \u2018Go fucking figure it out!\u2019 That tough love was actually brilliant \u2013 although at the time it felt horrible. I remember thinking, \u2018You arseholes, I\u2019m going to show you I can do it\u2026\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n      <div class=\"mb-advert__incontent\">      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__spu\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-name=\"300x250 Sponsor MPU #11\" data-params=\"dfp_spu11\" id=\"dfp_spu11\"><\/div>      <\/div>      \n<p>Years later, having followed that advice, Shymansky didn\u2019t have much more luck when he tried to pitch the fledgling Winehouse to Lucian, by then running Universal Music UK.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI was so excited to play it to him and he went, \u2018Don\u2019t put it on\u2019,\u201d Shymansky recalls. \u2018He went, \u2018If you think it\u2019s incredible, I\u2019m sure it\u2019s incredible. But the worst thing that can happen for you and me is, if I think it\u2019s great and sign this. I need my people to tell me it\u2019s great and then we\u2019ll do a deal\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNow I look back and think, \u2018That was so cool\u2019. Because what he was saying was, \u2018If I give this to you, you\u2019re never going to be taken seriously, she probably won\u2019t get taken seriously and I won\u2019t be taken seriously\u2019. I didn\u2019t get it for years, but he was so right. He knew you have to find your own path and figure it out, for him, for me, for her, for everything.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And Shymansky has certainly never been afraid to plough his own furrow. After Brilliant!, he moved to 19 Management with Simon Fuller (\u201cA brilliant guy, he\u2019s been amazing to me\u201d) where he found Winehouse. After the split with Amy, he worked in A&amp;R at Polydor and Island, before launching Day One with Nick Huggett just before the pandemic.<\/p>\n<p>Huggett is now stepping back from management, although he remains involved in the Day One Songs publishing company, home to Young collaborators Conor Dickinson and Will Brown.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNick\u2019s been a huge part of everything that we\u2019ve done,\u201d says Shymansky. \u201cHe\u2019s my best mate, we still talk but I just have a slightly different vision of how I want to do artist management and so, for the foreseeable future, I\u2019m not going to manage artists with him. But hopefully we\u2019ll still be partners on other things.\u201d<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_226298\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><figure class=\"mbw-articlepic mbw-articlepic--center\"><a class=\"link-internal\" href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/Sofia-The-Antoinettes.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/Sofia-The-Antoinettes.jpeg\" data-lightbox=\"image-set\" data-title=\"\"><img  class=\"lazyload\" src=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/Sofia-The-Antoinettes-80x53.jpeg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/Sofia-The-Antoinettes-80x53.jpeg 80w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/Sofia-The-Antoinettes-160x107.jpeg 160w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/Sofia-The-Antoinettes-320x213.jpeg 320w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/Sofia-The-Antoinettes-418x278.jpeg 418w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/Sofia-The-Antoinettes-648x432.jpeg 648w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/Sofia-The-Antoinettes-836x557.jpeg 836w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/Sofia-The-Antoinettes-1296x863.jpeg 1296w\" data-sizes=\"auto\"><i class=\"fas fa-search-plus magnifying-glass-icon\"><\/i><\/a><\/figure><figcaption class=\"caption wp-caption-text\">Sofia &amp; The Antoinettes<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<hr \/>\n<p>The management company is certainly in good shape, with Young, Kenya Grace (who scored a 2023 No.1 with <em>Strangers<\/em>) and the hotly tipped likes of Sofia And The Antoinettes, Kid 12 and Bug Eyed making for what Shymansky calls \u201cthe greatest roster of young talent in this country\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, he also has Day One Pictures \u2013 a successful TV\/film production company that made the Disney+ <em>Camden<\/em> documentary, and has a number of big projects in the pipeline \u2013 and he\u2019s launching a label, after an earlier attempt was scuppered by the pandemic.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOne of two things could happen,\u201d he declares. \u201cI\u2019m either going to be a successful manager who blew it all on trying to be a label, or I\u2019ll have a bit of both.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019m an Arsenal supporter,\u201d he adds. \u201cIn those years when we were winning, I thought it was always going to be like that. But it\u2019s healthy to realise it\u2019s never always one thing. In your twenties, you give it large like you know it all, when you haven\u2019t got a clue. Now, I actually do know what I\u2019m doing, so hopefully it\u2019s going to be a purple patch that keeps going\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6>Why is it happening for Lola Young now after a few near misses?<\/h6>\n<p>It was always going to happen, because there\u2019s a depth, a character and a talent that is undeniable.<\/p>\n<p>We made a pact. I\u2019ve been saying the whole time, \u2018We get to decide if this happens or doesn\u2019t happen\u2019. When Lola\u2019s lost her momentum or belief, I\u2019ve always said to her, \u2018The only way this doesn\u2019t happen is if you stop. But if you keep making music, playing shows and being you and we keep trying stuff, you\u2019re going to be huge\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>I was saying that from experience but also out of total belief, blind belief almost. But there\u2019s also a logic to it \u2013 if someone is great and they keep trying, it just increases your chances. Why wouldn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n<p>When you\u2019ve been around for a minute, you really do know when something\u2019s special. I\u2019ve never seen her get up in a room or do a meeting and not leave a massive mark. You go and see accountants and she\u2019ll leave a mark. You can go to a pub where no one knows her or put her on a festival line-up or a gig and she\u2019ll leave a mark.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<div class=\"mb-embed-container\"><iframe src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/k-k2_Liofy8\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Eventually all those little marks become the sum of all parts and then, when you do get the bigger stage or the right song comes, the zeitgeist changes or the way you use social media lands a bit more articulately, then it all comes together.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve been in this with Island Records as such a team, they had this belief too. We weren\u2019t going to take \u2018no\u2019 for an answer.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll say now, one big hit in, I\u2019m 100% sure there\u2019s a 20\/30-year career here \u2013 as long as she wants it and looks after herself, she\u2019s going to have the greatest career you can have as an artist.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6>Is there a lesson for the music industry there about sticking with talent for longer?<\/h6>\n<p>It would be a bit too worthy to say that. What I would say is, knowing the difference between someone that\u2019s good or great, is maybe something you don\u2019t see enough of across the board.<\/p>\n<p>And you need backbone and belief. I\u2019ve had some peers that I really respect and that are way more successful than me, that have questioned my belief on this. Like, \u2018Why are you doing this?\u2019 And when they said that to me, I suppose I could have thought, \u2018You\u2019re doing better than me, maybe I should listen to you\u2019. But I didn\u2019t. I just thought \u2013 you don\u2019t get it. I thought, they\u2019re the mug, not me.<\/p>\n<p>I worked, developed and gave blood, sweat and tears to what I think is one of the greatest talents this country has had in Amy [Winehouse] and I lost at the final hurdle.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;there was no way, from the minute I took Lola on, that I wasn\u2019t going to put every part of that anguish and frustration at what happened with Amy into this.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I lost emotionally and financially so, when you see someone else who you think has got that, you\u2019re going to probably go a lot further. And I suppose there is some sort of second chance at Amy, some sort of drive that\u2019s fired me up to be so tenacious and so passionate about this opportunity.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m like that with my other acts too, but there was no way, from the minute I took Lola on, that I wasn\u2019t going to put every part of that anguish and frustration at what happened with Amy into this.<\/p>\n<p>True artist development does always win. You hear A&amp;R people say, \u2018I made that record\u2019. I don\u2019t believe A&amp;R people ever make records \u2013 you might make pop records, but you don\u2019t make true artist records.<\/p>\n<p>But the skillset isn\u2019t, \u2018Oh, I told them to turn the bass up\u2019 or \u2018I found that record producer\u2019. The skillset is to really stand for recognising talent and understanding that nuance between true brilliance and something that\u2019s alright or is going to work for a minute.<\/p>\n<p>Far too many A&amp;R people get passionate, they call you, they do the lunch, the dinner, they show some flair \u2013 and then their boss says something negative and they wobble.<\/p>\n<p>But what every boss of any company within music really wants is someone going, \u2018I\u2019ll live or die by this \u2013 if I get this wrong, fire me\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>You\u2019ve got to be prepared to get fired, and you\u2019ve got to be happy that you got given that shot and you stand for something.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6>Lola\u2019s now flying the flag for a UK music industry that\u2019s been desperate for breakthrough artists. Does that add extra pressure?<\/h6>\n<p>No, it\u2019s brilliant. She will hold the flag really well. The thing about Lola is, she can do it. There\u2019s no pressure, you know she can hold it with the Americans.<\/p>\n<p>She\u2019s ready to take on the world and I, as her manager, am ready to do it \u2013 nothing\u2019s daunting, it\u2019s just exciting. The only thing I ever get stressed about is making sure that we don\u2019t overdo it. We\u2019ve had a few close shaves recently, where I\u2019ve had to really look at myself in the mirror and go, \u2018How did I let [that happen]?\u2019<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_226304\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><figure class=\"mbw-articlepic mbw-articlepic--center\"><a class=\"link-internal\" href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-lola.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-lola.jpeg\" data-lightbox=\"image-set\" data-title=\"\"><img  class=\"lazyload\" src=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-lola-80x124.jpeg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-lola-80x124.jpeg 80w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-lola-160x248.jpeg 160w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-lola-320x495.jpeg 320w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-lola-418x647.jpeg 418w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-lola-648x1002.jpeg 648w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-lola-836x1293.jpeg 836w\" data-sizes=\"auto\"><i class=\"fas fa-search-plus magnifying-glass-icon\"><\/i><\/a><\/figure><figcaption class=\"caption wp-caption-text\">In the studio with Lola Young<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Everyone does an amazing job of making you feel like, if you don\u2019t do their thing, it\u2019s going to really screw things up. Then you do it and think, \u2018I don\u2019t think that\u2019s made any difference, other than the artist genuinely looks like they\u2019ve done too much\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>The weight of the success or flying the British music flag is all great, but the one thing we\u2019ve got to be careful of is not being tempted to do too much.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6>Lola has been upfront about her mental health issues. What did you learn from your experiences with Amy?<\/h6>\n<p>It can be incredibly destructive for an artist if you don\u2019t give them protection. The irony is, you have to do so much when no one really cares \u2013 do festivals and interviews and go and shake this person\u2019s hand.<\/p>\n<p>But if you look at the great British female artists \u2013 Adele, Sade, Amy as just some examples \u2013 they can have 10 great days a year and do more than anyone. Sade, what a career, but she\u2019s not grinding herself into the ground. Adele does very specific bursts of energy and it\u2019s always brilliant. Amy unfortunately was lost in the drugs and there was mental health stuff \u2013 we didn\u2019t call it that at the time, but it clearly was \u2013 and it\u2019s so sad how that affected her. But, if you took the drugs out of it and look at the output, she wasn\u2019t doing much work.<\/p>\n<p>I wasn\u2019t involved post the release of <em>Back To Black<\/em> but I was on the sidelines, being furious and very upset with what was going on. I wish more was shut down but the point I\u2019m making is, if you\u2019re potent, you can do one or two TVs, one big magazine, a tour, a couple of key festivals, you don\u2019t have to do 200.<\/p>\n<p>Some artists are athletes. They can do backflips on rollerskates or pick up their guitar and tour places you\u2019ve never heard of for three months, do stadiums forever and still be CEO of a restaurant chain or whatever. And good for them!<\/p>\n<p>But there are some artists that can do 10 days in the studio and wipe the floor with everyone, but can\u2019t necessarily do 300 days grafting a year without it damaging them.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6><strong><figure class=\"mbw-articlepic mbw-articlepic--right\"><a class=\"link-internal\" href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-amy.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-amy.jpeg\" data-lightbox=\"image-set\" data-title=\"\"><img  class=\"lazyload\" src=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-amy-80x92.jpeg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-amy-80x92.jpeg 80w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-amy-160x185.jpeg 160w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-amy-320x370.jpeg 320w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-amy-418x483.jpeg 418w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-amy-648x749.jpeg 648w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-amy-836x966.jpeg 836w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2025\/03\/with-amy-1296x1498.jpeg 1296w\" data-sizes=\"auto\"><i class=\"fas fa-search-plus magnifying-glass-icon\"><\/i><\/a><\/figure>What did your time with Amy teach you about the music industry?<\/strong><\/h6>\n<p>I learned everything through Amy. I learned to toughen up a bit. I look back and I was so fucking green. I\u2019ve got a toughness now, no one\u2019s fucking me or my artist, no one\u2019s going to take the piss.<\/p>\n<p>And if something goes wrong, it will be because of me \u2013 that\u2019s how I see it. I will take full fucking responsibility. If Lola ends up in a bad place and it isn\u2019t shut down or she\u2019s not looked after, you can be the first person to call me out. And I say that to her.<\/p>\n<p>I look back at myself and think, \u2018Fuck me, if that was me now, at that gap between <em>Frank<\/em> and <em>Back To Black<\/em>\u2026\u2019 I did try at the time, I tried to have fights and arguments and I lost a lot of them. But I look back now and I think, I\u2019d fucking win \u2018em all. I know now, no one\u2019s beating me in a fight about Lola\u2019s well-being, including her.<\/p>\n<p>Because Amy wasn\u2019t a six-week decline or a big night out in some club, it was a fucking five-year car crash, she was slowly dying in front of everyone. We should, as an industry, cringe when we look at that moment. I do and, of course, I don\u2019t see myself as a bad character in that story, but everyone\u2019s got their own truth.<\/p>\n<p>But, on a more positive note, I will also say that there is an understanding now. If we pull a show or we can\u2019t do something, I never feel that people don\u2019t get why. The manager does have the most responsibility, but I\u2019ve never known a label, when you tell them something\u2019s up and you need help, they won\u2019t do it \u2013 they\u2019ll support you.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6>Was it strange to see yourself portrayed in the recent Amy biopic?<\/h6>\n<p>I got sent the script just before it came out and it was the biggest piece of shit I\u2019ve ever read in my life, it was just total bollocks.<\/p>\n<p>Eventually, I watched it on a flight. The guy they cast was better looking than me so I didn\u2019t mind that, but the film was so lazy. Amy was so bright, charismatic and brilliant and the writing made her sound like someone from <em>Love Island<\/em> \u2013 this moody, angry, heartbroken damsel in distress, and that\u2019s not what Amy was.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I thought it was a car crash and, for one of the biggest characters and greatest talents the UK ever made, that was a film put together to make money. No one cared about the story, it was shit.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It made me sound like a Foxton\u2019s estate agent that didn\u2019t understand culture or artists, so they can fuck off for doing that. And how could they fuck with the vocals like that? Of all the people. Just mime to the fucking music, why do you have to have the actor sing some half-arsed vocals, blended with her vocals?<\/p>\n<p>I thought it was a car crash and, for one of the biggest characters and greatest talents the UK ever made, that was a film put together to make money. No one cared about the story, it was shit. And I\u2019m glad it was a stiff. (Laughs) Other than that, I don\u2019t have an opinion!<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6>When you sign an artist, do you look at the data or trust your gut?<\/h6>\n<p>I know I sound like a dinosaur but\u2026 Data is great retrospectively, who doesn\u2019t want to look at analysis after the moment? What everyone forgets with data is, every great bit of data was shit before it was great.<\/p>\n<p>The worst, most infuriating thing I hear in the music industry is an A&amp;R going, \u2018It\u2019s a bit early\u2019. You\u2019re either early or you\u2019re late, and you\u2019ve got to be early in this business. What the fuck like, are you mad?\u00a0 Why would I, as a manager or an artist, work with you if you\u2019re not early? Being early gives you a chance to be great. Being late, we\u2019re talking to your bosses about a cheque, simple as that.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;The thing about managers is, you need to get in before the consensus is formed.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The thing about managers is, you need to get in before the consensus is formed. It was a nightmare being an A&amp;R person, because I would bring things in with no data that I knew were going to be brilliant. I did it with La Roux and I was like, \u2018We could sign this for 30 grand. I\u2019ve got the relationship, she\u2019s incredible, the songs are there\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>And I remember my boss at the time saying, \u2018I\u2019d rather sign it for a million with everyone patting you and me on the back. You\u2019re at a company where they want to know that it\u2019s the one everyone else wants\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>But with artist management, if you wait until everyone else wants it, you\u2019re probably not going to get the act, or you\u2019re in the queue. It\u2019s about having a belief system and a benchmark.<\/p>\n<p>Where I\u2019m spoilt is, Amy was the greatest benchmark ever, because literally everything for 10 years after I worked with her was shit. So, when I started to hear things that moved me again I was like, \u2018It\u2019s got to be good because, otherwise, I wouldn\u2019t want to do it\u2019.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6>How big can Lola become?<\/h6>\n<p>She could be the biggest in the world, up there with Billie Eilish, Adele, Amy \u2013 and I think she will be, I really do.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve got to do that properly and the other artists coming through all have the same potential in their own lane of music.<\/p>\n<p>I understand it\u2019s a contradiction, because I think my entire roster\u2019s all going to be huge, but the law of averages would say maybe that isn\u2019t going to be the case. 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